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		<title>By: Diana Patton</title>
		<link>http://www.twentypeacefulminutes.com/2008/09/power-change-country-375/comment-page-1/#comment-1748</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And once again, the whole point of the article was completely overlooked.  It was suppose to be about us doing more to help eachother as individuals, not who got elected as president.  It was my hope to inspire a few random acts of kindness and a little generosity and it was never an attack on people&#039;s political ideals.  It was about changing who we look to to make our lives better.  I am so sad that the point never got across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And once again, the whole point of the article was completely overlooked.  It was suppose to be about us doing more to help eachother as individuals, not who got elected as president.  It was my hope to inspire a few random acts of kindness and a little generosity and it was never an attack on people&#8217;s political ideals.  It was about changing who we look to to make our lives better.  I am so sad that the point never got across.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.twentypeacefulminutes.com/2008/09/power-change-country-375/comment-page-1/#comment-1746</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me for reading this a little late, but it doesn&#039;t sound like Windmill Farmer is showing any disrespect, but trying to bring to light the facts that are surrounding Obama.  Yes, he&#039;s already won the Presidency, but just because he claims he&#039;s going to do this and that doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;ll actually take action.  

There&#039;s no way, as a Christian, that I would ever vote for a man (regardless of his/her skin color) that claimed he was Christian, but still gives women the right to abort their innocent children. I believe the 6th Commandement states that &quot;Thou shalt not kill&quot;, and, well...abortion is murder.  

Furthermore, there&#039;s no way that I will vote for a man who is long time friends with a Pastor who G&#039;D&#039;s America, or has a Muslim background, or has  wife who openely admits she is not proud of this country, no matter what they say they will do for healthcare or education. 

One thing I will do is pray for him and this nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me for reading this a little late, but it doesn&#8217;t sound like Windmill Farmer is showing any disrespect, but trying to bring to light the facts that are surrounding Obama.  Yes, he&#8217;s already won the Presidency, but just because he claims he&#8217;s going to do this and that doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;ll actually take action.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way, as a Christian, that I would ever vote for a man (regardless of his/her skin color) that claimed he was Christian, but still gives women the right to abort their innocent children. I believe the 6th Commandement states that &#8220;Thou shalt not kill&#8221;, and, well&#8230;abortion is murder.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, there&#8217;s no way that I will vote for a man who is long time friends with a Pastor who G&#8217;D&#8217;s America, or has a Muslim background, or has  wife who openely admits she is not proud of this country, no matter what they say they will do for healthcare or education. </p>
<p>One thing I will do is pray for him and this nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Forneygirl</title>
		<link>http://www.twentypeacefulminutes.com/2008/09/power-change-country-375/comment-page-1/#comment-1617</link>
		<dc:creator>Forneygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana--you go girl.  We need to all be respectful to each other as human beings.  There will always be people who make things out of nothing.  Brush it off---you totally made sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana&#8211;you go girl.  We need to all be respectful to each other as human beings.  There will always be people who make things out of nothing.  Brush it off&#8212;you totally made sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Patton</title>
		<link>http://www.twentypeacefulminutes.com/2008/09/power-change-country-375/comment-page-1/#comment-1605</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, he referenced his style.  So what?  This is what I found about his &quot;style&quot;:

In 1969 he was awarded the &lt;strong&gt;Pacem in Terris Peace and Freedom Award&lt;/strong&gt;.  It has been awarded annually since 1964 in commemoration of the 1963 Encyclical &quot;Pacem in Terris&quot; of &lt;strong&gt;Pope John XXIII&lt;/strong&gt;. It was created by the &lt;strong&gt;Davenport Catholic Interracial Council of the Diocese&lt;/strong&gt; of Davenport in the U.S. state of Iowa.  Other notable winners are Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King Jr, Helen Caldicott, Archbishop Desmund Tutu, Sister Helen Prejeean...the list is long and inspiring.

Also, as I was reading Mr. Salinsky&#039;s &quot;Rules for Power&quot; which he wrote in the book you mention, I can&#039;t help but notice that it mirrors in so many ways the way the religious right try to influence the rest of us.

  Rule #1 - Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.

  Rule #2 - Never go outside the experience of your people. When an action is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion,  fear, and retreat. 

  Rule #3 - Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat. 

  Rule #4 - Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the
Christian church can live up to Christianity.

  Rule #5 - Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then
react to your advantage.

  Rule #6 - A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.

Also, I looked at the wording and I don&#039;t really see it as a dedication, but more as a statement of fact.  Satan was a radical and there are good radicals and bad ones.

But, again, I am wasting my time here.  THIS WAS NOT ABOUT POLITICS!!!!!!!!!!!   But your arguments bring to light what I believe to be a basic flaw in the church today.   People hide in their big country club church buldings, looking down their noses at people they disagree with or refuse to take the time to understand or listen to and cast judgements.  Then they try to push their judgements off on others using fear, slander and out right lies.  And I believe they do this to avoid looking at themselves.  Jesus didn&#039;t sit in a 3 million dollar building and decide who was good enough, had enough money, or dressed well enough to come fellowship with him.  He got His hands dirty, walked where they walked, listened to and cared about their pain.  And He did this for the bottom of the barrell.  So, as for me, I will continue to look for fruit.  And the fruit I see from the current administration and like thinkers is greed, corruption, lies and disdain and apathy for people who are not like them.  Enough is enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, he referenced his style.  So what?  This is what I found about his &#8220;style&#8221;:</p>
<p>In 1969 he was awarded the <strong>Pacem in Terris Peace and Freedom Award</strong>.  It has been awarded annually since 1964 in commemoration of the 1963 Encyclical &#8220;Pacem in Terris&#8221; of <strong>Pope John XXIII</strong>. It was created by the <strong>Davenport Catholic Interracial Council of the Diocese</strong> of Davenport in the U.S. state of Iowa.  Other notable winners are Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King Jr, Helen Caldicott, Archbishop Desmund Tutu, Sister Helen Prejeean&#8230;the list is long and inspiring.</p>
<p>Also, as I was reading Mr. Salinsky&#8217;s &#8220;Rules for Power&#8221; which he wrote in the book you mention, I can&#8217;t help but notice that it mirrors in so many ways the way the religious right try to influence the rest of us.</p>
<p>  Rule #1 &#8211; Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.</p>
<p>  Rule #2 &#8211; Never go outside the experience of your people. When an action is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion,  fear, and retreat. </p>
<p>  Rule #3 &#8211; Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat. </p>
<p>  Rule #4 &#8211; Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the<br />
Christian church can live up to Christianity.</p>
<p>  Rule #5 &#8211; Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then<br />
react to your advantage.</p>
<p>  Rule #6 &#8211; A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.</p>
<p>Also, I looked at the wording and I don&#8217;t really see it as a dedication, but more as a statement of fact.  Satan was a radical and there are good radicals and bad ones.</p>
<p>But, again, I am wasting my time here.  THIS WAS NOT ABOUT POLITICS!!!!!!!!!!!   But your arguments bring to light what I believe to be a basic flaw in the church today.   People hide in their big country club church buldings, looking down their noses at people they disagree with or refuse to take the time to understand or listen to and cast judgements.  Then they try to push their judgements off on others using fear, slander and out right lies.  And I believe they do this to avoid looking at themselves.  Jesus didn&#8217;t sit in a 3 million dollar building and decide who was good enough, had enough money, or dressed well enough to come fellowship with him.  He got His hands dirty, walked where they walked, listened to and cared about their pain.  And He did this for the bottom of the barrell.  So, as for me, I will continue to look for fruit.  And the fruit I see from the current administration and like thinkers is greed, corruption, lies and disdain and apathy for people who are not like them.  Enough is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: A Windmill Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.twentypeacefulminutes.com/2008/09/power-change-country-375/comment-page-1/#comment-1604</link>
		<dc:creator>A Windmill Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana --

I just found out something that sends chills down my spine...I felt it to be an incredibly important piece of information as you go to the polls.  It&#039;s common knowledge that Obama proudly mentions his community organizer experiece in Chicago closely follows that of Saul Alinsky&#039;s style.  Saul Alinsky wrote a book years ago called, &quot;Rules for Radicals&quot;.  Shockingly, he dedicated this book to Lucifer (i.e., the devil).  &lt;em&gt; &quot;Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — and which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;  Go to a library or book store and check it out. Talk about a trick of the devil!  Satan would be absolutely delighted if Obama won, and having unsuspecting believers casting their vote for him would be icing on his cake....

The facts are all there: Obama&#039;s got a muslim background, he started his political career in the home of Bill Ayers...an unrepentant terrorist who bombed America, he is good friends with his long-time mentor, Jeremiah Wright, who has repeatedly (on video) said, &quot;God D--- America!&quot;  And even Obama&#039;s wife has said that only when her husband became a presidential candidate, that for the first time, she was proud of her country (there&#039;s a video of her saying that, too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana &#8211;</p>
<p>I just found out something that sends chills down my spine&#8230;I felt it to be an incredibly important piece of information as you go to the polls.  It&#8217;s common knowledge that Obama proudly mentions his community organizer experiece in Chicago closely follows that of Saul Alinsky&#8217;s style.  Saul Alinsky wrote a book years ago called, &#8220;Rules for Radicals&#8221;.  Shockingly, he dedicated this book to Lucifer (i.e., the devil).  <em> &#8220;Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — and which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.&#8221;</em>  Go to a library or book store and check it out. Talk about a trick of the devil!  Satan would be absolutely delighted if Obama won, and having unsuspecting believers casting their vote for him would be icing on his cake&#8230;.</p>
<p>The facts are all there: Obama&#8217;s got a muslim background, he started his political career in the home of Bill Ayers&#8230;an unrepentant terrorist who bombed America, he is good friends with his long-time mentor, Jeremiah Wright, who has repeatedly (on video) said, &#8220;God D&#8212; America!&#8221;  And even Obama&#8217;s wife has said that only when her husband became a presidential candidate, that for the first time, she was proud of her country (there&#8217;s a video of her saying that, too).</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Patton</title>
		<link>http://www.twentypeacefulminutes.com/2008/09/power-change-country-375/comment-page-1/#comment-1533</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windmill Farmer

I am sorry.  I did not mean to imply that I thought you were being mean spirited.  Also, as Josh noted, I did not place this in the Religion category.  I also do not consider myself strong enough in theology to argue with people who are obviously more learned than I am.  I do not believe that our convictions should not be a consideration in who we vote for.  My point was simply that we look to government to solve a lot of problems that could be solved if we reverted back to the way previous generations related to one another.  It was never intended to influence who people vote for or how they believe.  It was simply a call for us to treat each other better and reach out to people that we have the ability and resources to help.  I have heard it said that if the churches of the world really did what they were intended to do as written in Acts, there would be very little hunger or poverty in the world.  I believe the church should be less focused on politics and get back to being the arms, hands and feet of Jesus.

Please accept my apologies for the way my response sounded.  It is sometimes difficult to read the tone in internet correspondence and I certainly did not mean to be antagonistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windmill Farmer</p>
<p>I am sorry.  I did not mean to imply that I thought you were being mean spirited.  Also, as Josh noted, I did not place this in the Religion category.  I also do not consider myself strong enough in theology to argue with people who are obviously more learned than I am.  I do not believe that our convictions should not be a consideration in who we vote for.  My point was simply that we look to government to solve a lot of problems that could be solved if we reverted back to the way previous generations related to one another.  It was never intended to influence who people vote for or how they believe.  It was simply a call for us to treat each other better and reach out to people that we have the ability and resources to help.  I have heard it said that if the churches of the world really did what they were intended to do as written in Acts, there would be very little hunger or poverty in the world.  I believe the church should be less focused on politics and get back to being the arms, hands and feet of Jesus.</p>
<p>Please accept my apologies for the way my response sounded.  It is sometimes difficult to read the tone in internet correspondence and I certainly did not mean to be antagonistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem - that&#039;s why I&#039;m really encouraging articles like Diana&#039;s, I want to see more discourse in the comments on these articles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem &#8211; that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m really encouraging articles like Diana&#8217;s, I want to see more discourse in the comments on these articles!</p>
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		<title>By: A Windmill Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Windmill Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my mistake; I see what you mean by &quot;Author&quot;.  My name doesn&#039;t have that. Interesting. I have no clue as to why yours says that....  BTW, thank you for allowing the dialogue between Diana and me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my mistake; I see what you mean by &#8220;Author&#8221;.  My name doesn&#8217;t have that. Interesting. I have no clue as to why yours says that&#8230;.  BTW, thank you for allowing the dialogue between Diana and me&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: A Windmill Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Windmill Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Josh, for the clarification. Apparently when anyone makes a comment it shows who made it. Hence your note to me is now posted in the string on the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Josh, for the clarification. Apparently when anyone makes a comment it shows who made it. Hence your note to me is now posted in the string on the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick editor&#039;s note, Windmill Farmer, I placed Diana&#039;s story in the Religion &amp; Theology section, she didn&#039;t. Right now, the tags and categories are assigned by the editor when the story is posted. Just thought I&#039;d clarify...

P.S. No clue why it says &#039;Author&#039; next to my name above this comment, or if other people even see that. Diana is the author of this post, sorry for any confusion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick editor&#8217;s note, Windmill Farmer, I placed Diana&#8217;s story in the Religion &#038; Theology section, she didn&#8217;t. Right now, the tags and categories are assigned by the editor when the story is posted. Just thought I&#8217;d clarify&#8230;</p>
<p>P.S. No clue why it says &#8216;Author&#8217; next to my name above this comment, or if other people even see that. Diana is the author of this post, sorry for any confusion.</p>
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